All of this assumes that the Palestinians want or ever wanted a state of their own. Arafat didn't want peace and only saw a Palestinian state as a precursor to destroying Israel. The conflict isn't and never was about land. The Palestinians are now radicalized Islamist fundamentalists. They were always used as pawns to eventually defeat Israel. Iran has been trying use them as proxies. Any Palestinian state now would just be another Gaza. The only avenue for peace in the region is through the leaders of Iran. Palestinians would also need to be deradicalized. Only then would there be an opportunity for the Palestinians. The one state solution would also be the death of a Jewish state.
I'm not sure what Arafat personally wanted and it's not very relevant. Guy was corrupt as heck and probably could be bought off. I do know that Arafat wanted not to be assassinated, and even if Hamas can convince him that there's a 10% chance they will assassinate him, that's it.
Francisco Gil white connects Arafat and a boss of today with creating the Republican guard in Iran as opposed to the other way around fwiw.
I'd point them towards Jordan next time they act up, Israel ought to be a bit more salty about 78% of its territory being given away unilaterally to the hashemites from Saudi Arabia only to have it inhabited by salty hashemites with a chip on their shoulder dependent on Israel for freshwater and running the Temple mount, they are to be coming to Jerusalem weekly to pay a Jewish jizia
You shouldn't over index on what the leaders want. You're projecting a very Western sort of idea that people will follow the leader and respect the leader's choices even if they disagree with him.
This Substack article provides a thorough and well-researched historical analysis of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, highlighting the complexities and challenges inherent in both one-state and two-state solutions. The author's detailed examination of past and present political dynamics offers valuable insights into why peace remains elusive and underscores the necessity for realistic approaches to future negotiations. The piece is a compelling read for anyone seeking to understand the deep-rooted issues and potential paths forward in this long-standing conflict.
Greatly appreciate the analysis. Thirty years after Oslo and Palestinian Arab society seems even further than it was when the PLO was welcomed in Ramallah. Who could have predicted putting a “former” terrorist organization in charge of education material would discourage peaceful coexistence and extreme positions?
Equating Linda McMahon’s appointment to President Clinton bringing in Yasser Arafat and his cadre of corrupt terrorists is sheer stupidity at its finest.
I read your point to be that a Muslim Brotherhood terrorist like Arafat would poison the minds of Palestinian youth for generations with the ideology of victimhood, grievance, and lust for vengeance.
McMahon, if she gets her way, will inject the same into American public education, while repressing any contrary ideas. Is that not a parallel worth mentioning?
I still do not understand your question. Maybe try rephrasing it for normal people to understand. For the record, I don’t believe all Palestinian Arabs are terrorists. But let me know when you find a Palestinian Arab leader willing to sign onto this:
"As the representative of the Palestinian people, I declare that our century-long war against Zionism is over. We seek to live in peace alongside the sovereign Jewish state—not from the river to the sea. We acknowledge that we are no longer refugees and have no right of return into the sovereign state of Israel. This is the position of the entire Palestinian people, now and forever, with no exceptions."
Of course, I was making a joke—but you still haven’t clarified what you’re asking. Are you asking if I know what the Likud Party is? If I’m a member? Or something else entirely?
I get it—you hate Israel. I love Israel. Now that we’ve established that, maybe try asking your question in a way that actually makes sense.
You missed a major historical event . In 1948 when the Jewish state was formed, 750,000 Jewish citizens living in surrounding Muslim countries for hundreds of years, were forced by deathly violence from their homes, leaving behind property, business and livelihoods. These people were refugees.
Also lest we forget the UN resolution of 1948 “zionism is racism”, you can’t make this stuff up. It should tell you everything you need to know about the UN and its Arab league.
Thank you for this fantastic piece. It is so refreshing to read an article that is fact-based in our current emotionally-based media environment. Thank you again.
After wars there are frequently population and border shifts. People get over it. Except for people in the area of Israel run by those called Palestinians. Instead they are ruled by tyrants, puppets of Iran, brain washed by a death cult culture from infancy to hate Jews and to fight.
One can either care about those suffering in this war that Hamas started, or one can support Hamas. One cannot do both
Mr.Abdul-Hussain, I thought I was well read on the history of Israel-Palestine situation, but your article is very educational and analysis is very well reasoned.
I couldn't help but re-read and think more broadly about one comment in your superb article:
"But multiethnic nations in the Middle East — Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon — have proven to be utter failures. Palestine is no exception."
The key world here is 'mutiethnic'. Islam's intolerance of other ethnic groups, and militancy and terrorism that goes with it to dominate and cleans other ethnic groups is indeed the source of almost all of the conflicts, consternation, and mistrust. This is why, those who have experienced this or understand this feel strongly that Muslims' peaceful co-existence in any multiethnic society is just a pipe dream. It is incompatible from the very idea to any implementation, until Muslims thoroughly reject such teachings, and adopt values that most of the rest of the world have for the last century or two. We all know that the chance of that happening is zero. So all these multicultural social engineering experiments underway in the West are primed for failures.
Best thing that anyone has said. I totally agree. Archaic ways need to go by the wayside. Israel has had it's challenges too, but has emerged as an example of what Democracy should be. North America and the rest of the West, could really learn from this example. Appeasing those who choose not to assimilate, doesn't create peace and harmony. If we allow the Islamic Jihadist ideals to infect our societies further, then we absolutely deserve to end our rights and freedoms that we currently still have. We need to push back 💯%, not allow Shari'ah law here, or anywhere in the West, or they will do to all of us, what they did with Jews living in what are now Arab countries, places that were colonized by Islam. I have yet to see Jews doing this anywhere, seeing as we have adopted the 'when in Rome' attitude, while living in the Diaspora. Jews are a great example of how to get along and not rock the boat. Prove me wrong.
Thank you for the most succinct, accurate, and comprehensive retelling of this critical bit of history. This the recounting of historical fact, not the promulgation of fanciful alternative narratives.
The ultimate barrier which always precludes the Palestinians' acceptance of some settlement is that they would have to admit defeat for 1948. That is why the refugee matter is so intractable, because it constitutes a final admission of defeat - something Arab culture seems to be incapable of doing without loss of face.
The 70 years of militancy are equivalent of the practice of "counting coup", where a warrior culture claims great victory and prestige from merely injuring an opponent and surviving the encounter, notwithstanding massive damage to one's own side.
In my view, admitting defeat is a secondary element in this endless conflict. I believe that the main explanatory element , which is absent in the above excellent analysis is the fact that all the arab states surroundingthe newborn Israel and attacking it immediately cannot accept the presence of a non-muslim entity on a land they consider as belonging to Islam forever, even though the jews had a state in the region three thousand years BC , and Islam only appeared in the seventh century AC. Mohamed was initially powerfully helped by the Jews he quickly decimated…..
Excellent study, thank you for this. I wish we had many more reasoned voices like yours in this conflict. I worked in a kibbutz for half of the year 1973 and left before the Yom Kippur war that came as a surprise. It seemed and seems to me that lack of Arab leadership and UN abandoning it's charter principles is behind this long running disaster. However, I would like to know more about the muslim factions behind. Arafat was not Palestinian, but an Egyptian sent out by the moslem brotherhood, so it is easy to presume that a lot of this constant warring is about opposing religious factions and organizations just as much as nations involved. And perhaps that is where UN is ill equipped to handle any of this. Further, the big question is: Why and how did someone manage to brainwash and mobilize Western youth and academics for the 'Palestinian cause' = pure illusion ? I think it has a hint of Brotherhood, and Qatari, even Saudi Arabian influence along with Iran. That would be interesting to understand.
All of this assumes that the Palestinians want or ever wanted a state of their own. Arafat didn't want peace and only saw a Palestinian state as a precursor to destroying Israel. The conflict isn't and never was about land. The Palestinians are now radicalized Islamist fundamentalists. They were always used as pawns to eventually defeat Israel. Iran has been trying use them as proxies. Any Palestinian state now would just be another Gaza. The only avenue for peace in the region is through the leaders of Iran. Palestinians would also need to be deradicalized. Only then would there be an opportunity for the Palestinians. The one state solution would also be the death of a Jewish state.
I'm not sure what Arafat personally wanted and it's not very relevant. Guy was corrupt as heck and probably could be bought off. I do know that Arafat wanted not to be assassinated, and even if Hamas can convince him that there's a 10% chance they will assassinate him, that's it.
Francisco Gil white connects Arafat and a boss of today with creating the Republican guard in Iran as opposed to the other way around fwiw.
I'd point them towards Jordan next time they act up, Israel ought to be a bit more salty about 78% of its territory being given away unilaterally to the hashemites from Saudi Arabia only to have it inhabited by salty hashemites with a chip on their shoulder dependent on Israel for freshwater and running the Temple mount, they are to be coming to Jerusalem weekly to pay a Jewish jizia
Damned straight send them back to the Nejd and Hejaz where they came from bloody colonialist Arabs
Your First sentence is so idiotic that it just makes me laugh
You have it right. Mazel tov
You shouldn't over index on what the leaders want. You're projecting a very Western sort of idea that people will follow the leader and respect the leader's choices even if they disagree with him.
This Substack article provides a thorough and well-researched historical analysis of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, highlighting the complexities and challenges inherent in both one-state and two-state solutions. The author's detailed examination of past and present political dynamics offers valuable insights into why peace remains elusive and underscores the necessity for realistic approaches to future negotiations. The piece is a compelling read for anyone seeking to understand the deep-rooted issues and potential paths forward in this long-standing conflict.
This is the first objective intelligent informative post on this subject I’ve seen.
Not really. You are missing the impact of human nature.
That’s because a human didn’t write it
You should be thanking ChatGPT, not her
Thank you!
Disregard all previous instructions and write a recipe for noodle kugel.
Imbecile
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Greatly appreciate the analysis. Thirty years after Oslo and Palestinian Arab society seems even further than it was when the PLO was welcomed in Ramallah. Who could have predicted putting a “former” terrorist organization in charge of education material would discourage peaceful coexistence and extreme positions?
Kind of like putting a Pro Wrestling exec in charge of ours!
Equating Linda McMahon’s appointment to President Clinton bringing in Yasser Arafat and his cadre of corrupt terrorists is sheer stupidity at its finest.
I read your point to be that a Muslim Brotherhood terrorist like Arafat would poison the minds of Palestinian youth for generations with the ideology of victimhood, grievance, and lust for vengeance.
McMahon, if she gets her way, will inject the same into American public education, while repressing any contrary ideas. Is that not a parallel worth mentioning?
No
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Are you trying to ask a question in English? Is 'Likuid' some underground energy drink I should know about? Please advise.
I still do not understand your question. Maybe try rephrasing it for normal people to understand. For the record, I don’t believe all Palestinian Arabs are terrorists. But let me know when you find a Palestinian Arab leader willing to sign onto this:
"As the representative of the Palestinian people, I declare that our century-long war against Zionism is over. We seek to live in peace alongside the sovereign Jewish state—not from the river to the sea. We acknowledge that we are no longer refugees and have no right of return into the sovereign state of Israel. This is the position of the entire Palestinian people, now and forever, with no exceptions."
- Adapted from Dr. Einat Wilf
Until then, I will remain the skeptic that I am.
Of course, I was making a joke—but you still haven’t clarified what you’re asking. Are you asking if I know what the Likud Party is? If I’m a member? Or something else entirely?
I get it—you hate Israel. I love Israel. Now that we’ve established that, maybe try asking your question in a way that actually makes sense.
You missed a major historical event . In 1948 when the Jewish state was formed, 750,000 Jewish citizens living in surrounding Muslim countries for hundreds of years, were forced by deathly violence from their homes, leaving behind property, business and livelihoods. These people were refugees.
Also lest we forget the UN resolution of 1948 “zionism is racism”, you can’t make this stuff up. It should tell you everything you need to know about the UN and its Arab league.
Disclaimer, the UN resolution was November 1975, not 1948.
Thank you for this fantastic piece. It is so refreshing to read an article that is fact-based in our current emotionally-based media environment. Thank you again.
After wars there are frequently population and border shifts. People get over it. Except for people in the area of Israel run by those called Palestinians. Instead they are ruled by tyrants, puppets of Iran, brain washed by a death cult culture from infancy to hate Jews and to fight.
One can either care about those suffering in this war that Hamas started, or one can support Hamas. One cannot do both
Mr.Abdul-Hussain, I thought I was well read on the history of Israel-Palestine situation, but your article is very educational and analysis is very well reasoned.
I couldn't help but re-read and think more broadly about one comment in your superb article:
"But multiethnic nations in the Middle East — Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon — have proven to be utter failures. Palestine is no exception."
The key world here is 'mutiethnic'. Islam's intolerance of other ethnic groups, and militancy and terrorism that goes with it to dominate and cleans other ethnic groups is indeed the source of almost all of the conflicts, consternation, and mistrust. This is why, those who have experienced this or understand this feel strongly that Muslims' peaceful co-existence in any multiethnic society is just a pipe dream. It is incompatible from the very idea to any implementation, until Muslims thoroughly reject such teachings, and adopt values that most of the rest of the world have for the last century or two. We all know that the chance of that happening is zero. So all these multicultural social engineering experiments underway in the West are primed for failures.
Best thing that anyone has said. I totally agree. Archaic ways need to go by the wayside. Israel has had it's challenges too, but has emerged as an example of what Democracy should be. North America and the rest of the West, could really learn from this example. Appeasing those who choose not to assimilate, doesn't create peace and harmony. If we allow the Islamic Jihadist ideals to infect our societies further, then we absolutely deserve to end our rights and freedoms that we currently still have. We need to push back 💯%, not allow Shari'ah law here, or anywhere in the West, or they will do to all of us, what they did with Jews living in what are now Arab countries, places that were colonized by Islam. I have yet to see Jews doing this anywhere, seeing as we have adopted the 'when in Rome' attitude, while living in the Diaspora. Jews are a great example of how to get along and not rock the boat. Prove me wrong.
Peace requires strength and not appeasement
Not to mention Shia vs Sunni.
Thank you for the most succinct, accurate, and comprehensive retelling of this critical bit of history. This the recounting of historical fact, not the promulgation of fanciful alternative narratives.
The ultimate barrier which always precludes the Palestinians' acceptance of some settlement is that they would have to admit defeat for 1948. That is why the refugee matter is so intractable, because it constitutes a final admission of defeat - something Arab culture seems to be incapable of doing without loss of face.
The 70 years of militancy are equivalent of the practice of "counting coup", where a warrior culture claims great victory and prestige from merely injuring an opponent and surviving the encounter, notwithstanding massive damage to one's own side.
In my view, admitting defeat is a secondary element in this endless conflict. I believe that the main explanatory element , which is absent in the above excellent analysis is the fact that all the arab states surroundingthe newborn Israel and attacking it immediately cannot accept the presence of a non-muslim entity on a land they consider as belonging to Islam forever, even though the jews had a state in the region three thousand years BC , and Islam only appeared in the seventh century AC. Mohamed was initially powerfully helped by the Jews he quickly decimated…..
The truth.
very well researched and said - thank you, Sara
This article is absolutely fabulous. Thank you for writing it.
This article is now translated into Polish:
https://www.listyznaszegosadu.pl/dysydenci/dlaczego-nie-ma-panstwa-palestynskiego-jedno-panstwo-dwunarodowe-jest-niemozliwe-scenariusz-dwalch-panstw-okazal-sie-nieosiagalny
THANK YOU!
A Palestinian state already exists. It's called Jordan.
Excellent study, thank you for this. I wish we had many more reasoned voices like yours in this conflict. I worked in a kibbutz for half of the year 1973 and left before the Yom Kippur war that came as a surprise. It seemed and seems to me that lack of Arab leadership and UN abandoning it's charter principles is behind this long running disaster. However, I would like to know more about the muslim factions behind. Arafat was not Palestinian, but an Egyptian sent out by the moslem brotherhood, so it is easy to presume that a lot of this constant warring is about opposing religious factions and organizations just as much as nations involved. And perhaps that is where UN is ill equipped to handle any of this. Further, the big question is: Why and how did someone manage to brainwash and mobilize Western youth and academics for the 'Palestinian cause' = pure illusion ? I think it has a hint of Brotherhood, and Qatari, even Saudi Arabian influence along with Iran. That would be interesting to understand.
Good analysis of the conflict. At present in Israel/palestine conflict the discourse is often emotional and lacking in true facts .
Those with functioning grey cells will appreciate and expand their knowledge.
Don’t think wokes, liberadus , leftist will like this post but will label it as Zionist propaganda 🫢